Hoarding is a serious concern.
It can seep into so many aspects of life and destroy relationships.
Trying to help hoarder parents can be an especially heavy burden.
Kids, young and old, sometimes just can't deal.
Redditor Disastrous-digging wanted to discuss their experience and get some feedback, so naturally, they came to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subreddit.
They asked:
"AITA for refusing to cook for my mom after she let a friend reorganize the kitchen while I was out of town? TW: hoarding."
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"I’m living with my mother after my father died recently."
"The house has severe hoarding issues, and for the past year, I’ve been trying to make it livable again."
"I haven’t lived in the state for 30 years, visited once a decade due to the hoarding."
"The kitchen became 'my' space because I’m the only one who cooks."
"When I got back here last year, it was horrifying: sticky grime coating cabinets and counters, fruit flies stuck to the walls, a stove covered in inches of burnt grease, and piles of boxes, cookware, mail, and trash everywhere."
"I rented a $400 dumpster FOUR times, I replaced rotted drawer pulls, cleaned out expired food, dismantled and scrubbed the fridge, organized cabinets, cookware, utensils, everything."
"The only reason the kitchen became remotely presentable was because of the work I put into it."
"An old coworker/friend offered to help clean the house."
"I was NOT against help."
"I actually appreciated it."
"But I repeatedly said I wanted to be there if anyone touched the kitchen because I had systems set up, and it would stress me out to have everything moved around."
"The day before I flew home from a trip, I was happily talking to my mom about cooking healthy meals for us."
"She’s on Wegovy, and I wanted to help her eat better."
"I specifically begged her: please just work on your bedroom and wait until I’m home before touching the kitchen."
"Instead, the DAY I was flying home, she invited the friend over anyway, and they completely reorganized the kitchen without me there."
"They pulled things out of cabinets, moved food and cookware, stuffed items into tote bags, and piled things onto the living room floor."
"Basically, they turned the room upside down."
"When I called from the airport, upset (not yelling or crying), my mom acted like I was overreacting and said she 'just sat there' while the friend did it."
"The friend joked over speakerphone that she 'knew I was a control freak.'”
"What hurts is that my mom absolutely understands this feeling."
"She gets upset if anyone touches or removes things from her own room, even obvious trash."
"I always ask before throwing away her belongings."
"I’ve already removed over 30 trash bags from her room and 36 trash bags from my dad’s room when we had to make space for hospice equipment."
"I’m not angry they cleaned."
"I’m angry they did the exact thing I repeatedly begged them not to do in a space I had spent a year trying to reclaim."
"Now I don’t want to cook for her anymore or clean up messes I didn’t make."
The OP was left to wonder:
"So... AITA?"
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed in on some options to the question, AITA:
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
- INFO - More Information Needed
Redditors declared that OP was NOT the A-hole.
"NTA. It sounds like your mom was using the kitchen as a redirection for the friend offering to help, letting her loose on a space your mom isn’t personally attached to."
"I’m sorry." ~ lelawes
"Sounds like you’ve hit the nail on the head."
"It was a way to please the friend by accepting help while also protecting her hoard from being messed with, and exerting control on the daughter as well. NTA OP." ~ Hailstar07
"NTA, wouldn't surprise me if she did it specifically because you said not to." ~ GregTheTerrible
"Your mother may want you to live with her, but is this a healthy place for you to be?"
"I would strongly consider moving back out as soon as you can."
"Don't let grief or guilt or whatever it is keep you in a living situation that is bad for you."
"It's hard to see how this could be good for you, mentally or physically." ~ graceful_platypus
"Your mother sounds mean."
"Who would say something like that to a toddler?"
"And it sounds like she's going to keep doing stuff to make you mad or unhappy deliberately."
"If I were you, I'd move out and maybe far away." ~ PinkPandaHumor
"NTA - you are effectively confirming she did this to disorient you."
"OP, you need to move on and create space for yourself for your own good."
"Maybe drop off the meals to your mother weekly and then completely disengage, otherwise you will get caught up in her dynamic and your mental health WILL suffer."
"Deep down, you know she got her friend to do this to pull the literal rug from beneath you."
"Create some distance and protect your peace."
"She does not deserve to send you into the chasm she has chosen to inhabit herself." ~ Bluebells7788
"NTA, but I’d reconsider continuing to live there."
"There isn’t really any effective comeback; your mom and her friend have clearly shown that they don’t care about what you wanted, and I agree with the comment above that your mom probably used it to redirect attention away from her own issues."
"Your choice is either to let it go or move out; any retaliatory action will just create a more toxic living environment for you." ~ Living-Ad8963
"NTA. What is happening here is power and control."
"Specifically, your mother wants you to understand that you cannot have boundaries, you do not deserve her respect, and even if it means causing herself distress or stress, it’s worth it as long as she has put you in your place."
"Everything you have done to 'help' has felt like a violation to her, and now she has had a chance to retaliate, and she couldn’t wait."
"She will never change."
"You cannot communicate why you are upset and expect an apology."
"She knows why you are upset."
"You being upset was always the only goal she had."
"I hope you take this experience to heart and stop wasting your time in this dynamic, but this is how you were raised, and it’s always very difficult to successfully break from that pattern.
"Good luck." ~ MiloTheMagnificent
"NTA, I would be livid."
"Please make plans to reclaim your own life."
"Maybe I am terrible, but I can't see how much more you can do for her."
"You have helped her so much already; she clearly doesn't have enough appreciation for what you've done."
"Why spend your life under these terrible conditions anymore?"
"You deserve your own life, peace, happiness." ~ PlantyPenPerson
"Hoarding is a severe mental health issue."
"You need some counseling support to get through this, or you might be broken by the environment and the behaviors, lack of insights."
"Counseling for you and hoarding counseling for mum."
"Don’t try continuing on your own. It’s very complex with deep and misaligned feelings."
"Best of luck, self-care and support essential." ~ New-Cow9801
"NTA. I understand your anger."
"It was disrespectful what they did - especially considering your mother should understand this."
"Maybe say this to her, then rearrange the kitchen back to the way you want - if anything, the work will distract you from that pis*ed-off feeling you have." ~ Amaedar
"NTA. With your mention of Tote bags, it sounds like with you out of the picture, Mum took the opportunity to start trying to revert the kitchen into a hoard site again, and that, rather than the friend allegedly dropping by and rearranging things, was why everything had been pulled apart, and shoved into strange places."
"Part of your fear, and reaction of frustration and anger, will be your realization that the moment you stop holding back the hoard, it starts invading your space all over again."
"Do you have a choice about where you live?"
"If you do, it may be better for your mental well-being not to live with your Mom, even though you want to protect her against her hoarding, you know you can't."
"Only she can do that, and only if she is willing and able to accept professional help."
"If you have no choice, then you will face this every time you go away, and may need to find a different way to carve out a safe space within the hoard. NTA." ~ Cautious-Job8683
"NTA. Although you haven’t given any context on either why the colleague offered help, or why your mum accepted it."
"If she is the one with the hoarding tendencies (rather than your dad), then I don’t understand why she’d accept the help - as you say, there’s resistance to other people touching their hoards."
"I’m guessing it was easier for her to let the colleague touch the already-processed kitchen, because she’s dealt with that part of the hoard."
"She basically cheated and didn’t face her own hoard." ~ amberallday
"NTA, but don't do this to yourself."
"Your mother might say she wants you living there, but she's unable to manage what is obviously a mental illness."
"It might be beyond her, but that doesn't mean you have to sacrifice everything trying to save her."
"A good parent wouldn't want you to."
"If she refuses to get professional help or refuses to cooperate with said help, she'll only drag you down with her. By the time she's gone, and you actually inherit the house, it will be ruined anyway, as will your health." ~ Ok_Homework_7621
This is a messy situation, OP.
Reddit understands your frustration.
This may require professional help.
You don't have to be alone or be a superhero.
Good Luck.















Woman With Cerebral Palsy Livid After Husband's Doctor Questions Why He Married Her
In the search for comprehensive medical care, people may have tough conversations about their lifestyle, work, relationships, and other potential stressors.
But a doctor can only make so many decisions on behalf of their patient, cautioned the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor _lucky96 was seeing the same doctor as her husband, so their doctor was aware of both of their medical histories and needs, including her having cerebral palsy.
But when the doctor brought up her condition during her husband's latest appointment and questioned their marriage, the Original Poster (OP) was appalled and wanted to find a new medical care provider.
She asked the sub:
The OP had cerebral palsy and a full life.
"I have cerebral palsy. It mainly affects my walking, but I can walk independently and live a pretty normal life."
"My husband and I have been together for three years and have a blended family with five kids altogether. Three of my kids aren’t biologically his."
The OP and her husband just started seeing a new doctor.
"We’ve both recently started seeing the same general practitioner (GP)." I’ve seen him about three times now and generally thought he was helpful."
"I had noticed he seemed very interested in my disability and would often ask questions about it and whether I had support, but I assumed he was just being thorough."
In the OP's eyes, the doctor crossed a line.
"Today, my husband had an appointment with the same doctor for stomach issues."
"During the appointment, mental health apparently came up as part of the discussion, but the appointment itself wasn’t for mental health."
"I wasn’t in the room because I was outside with our daughter. According to my husband, the doctor asked him, 'Why did you marry your wife?'"
"My husband said because he loves me, and then the doctor apparently said something along the lines of, 'With her disability and five kids, that’s a lot to take on. You realise when she’s older, you’ll have a lot to do as she ages.'"
"My husband thinks I’m overreacting because they had been discussing different stressors in his life, and believes the doctor was just talking about responsibilities and support systems."
"I understand that possibility, but I can’t get past how hurtful it feels to hear my disability described as something my husband 'took on' or as a future burden he’ll have to manage."
"The doctor also said, 'Not many men would do what you do, you’re a good man.'"
The OP was upset about the conversation her husband shared.
"What bothers me most is that the conversation wasn’t even about me, and I wasn’t there to respond or provide any context."
"I feel like the comments reduced me to my disability rather than seeing me as a wife, parent, and person."
"Am I wrong for being upset by this and considering raising it with the clinic, or does this sound inappropriate?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that the doctor's comments were highly inappropriate.
"That’s highly inappropriate. You are NOR." - Direction_Physical
"NOR. You are not overreacting at all. That was completely inappropriate and dehumanizing."
"You’re his patient’s wife, not his patient, while your husband is in that room. Bringing up your disability and five kids during your husband’s stomach appointment had nothing to do with his care."
"Saying you’re 'a lot to take on' and 'not many men would do what you do' frames your marriage like a charity case, and you like a burden instead of a partner."
"That’s ableist, unprofessional, and a violation of basic boundaries."
"It makes sense that you feel reduced to just your disability after hearing that."
"Raising it with the clinic is absolutely reasonable. You deserve a doctor who treats you as a whole person, not a problem for your husband to manage." - DaringDuvet
"This makes me so stabby. I’m non-verbal and have right-sided weakness."
"We were married 29 years before it happened, and the number of people who think my husband needs a medal and a parade for sticking around..."
"Don’t get me wrong. My husband is one of life’s truly good dudes. But seriously?" - sorenelf
"This is infuriating. He's a good man because he didn't ditch?"
"When my mum was diagnosed with cancer that wasn’t going to do the polite thing and get fixed, the amount of applause for my dad not leaving her was astounding."
"He was horrified at first, but that wore off pretty quickly, and he just started calling it out. That made quite a few people squirm in their own discomfort."
"It says a lot about someone who thinks a natural choice is to bail." - BasicLingonberry9914
"NOR in the slightest."
"Even if we assume good intent and the doctor wanted to make sure there are safety nets and supports in place for both of you, that has NOTHING to do with the question of why your husband married you."
"I would absolutely file a complaint, and if you both can, find another general practitioner." - ooooohcakepudding
"NOR. I have severe Aphakia, and if my specialist looked at my husband to remind him he's going to be growing old with someone who is likely going to go blind, I think I would die."
"My husband had been through h**l and back with me and my eyes long before we got married, so he knows what he signed up for. And it isn't the doc's place to sort out. Super duper unprofessional." - Global-Nature2420
"So at first, I thought you were overreacting. I am a mental health provider, and a doctor discussing stressors and very real-life situations happens all the time."
"The minute you added the part that 'not many men,' things changed. He took what could have been a normal conversation and changed it to his personal feelings, which is absolutely disgusting."
"NOR at all. I would file a complaint." - Trash_Human92
Others pointed out that it was an important conversation to have, though the doctor could have been more delicate.
"While tough, this isn't an inappropriate conversation to have if the stress is causing his health to deteriorate."
"The truth is not inappropriate. I think the way he worded it was a bit much, but not what he said."
"It appears to me the OP is not dealing with how her disability is not just about her, but everyone, etc. For example, my cancer was also stressing my loved ones out." - Total-Ad886f
"I was having panic attacks in the middle of the night due to my husband's health and lack of care. So when he finally started seeing someone in my same doctor's office (but not the same doctor), it was SO much better."
"My doc and the nurse have been really, really concerned about my mental health, so they were happy to hear that he's taking his health seriously and improving, because that means that I am sleeping more and my mental health is better, and that means my ability to manage my own chronic pain and health issues has been better."
"I was not coping at all and barely able to function." - popchex
"The doctor may have mentioned OP in the conversation with her husband if he was trying to ascertain if he had stressors that may contribute to his stomach issues. Sure, your spouse, children, work, and parents can be considered stressors at times in anyone’s life."
"For me, where he crossed the line was when he decided just how OP’s condition will impact the future."
"Firstly, OP is obviously capable of caring for everyone, including herself and children, with minimal, if any, assistance. As OP ages, more assistance may be required, but this may also be the case for her husband, too, as he ages. The responsibility of the children will not be a factor, as they are adults."
"So the doctor’s predictions are presumptive and unnecessary. Health is not guaranteed for anyone. We all will face various challenges to our physical abilities as we age."
"What I would take up with the clinic is why he felt it necessary to ask the husband why he married OP. To additionally state because of that, ‘He was a good man’ is grossly inappropriate and unprofessional."
"There is potential for an ongoing issue to arise if OP were to continue seeing this doctor. His bias toward her husband may very well influence any care she may need in the future. NOR." - Cool-Blackberry-785
"It doesn’t make sense because if your husband was talking about how stressed he was, why would the doctor bring up more reasons he should be stressed? Or if he didn’t seem stressed enough, is the doctor then going to be like, 'Consider how stressed you’ll be in X amount of years'?"
"It sort of sounds like he’s saying something like, 'Why would a man do that?'"
"The only exception I’d give is if your husband had some sort of health thing he’s completely ignoring, and the doctor was trying to give him a wake-up moment. Because then, they sort of have to be blunt to make you realize you need to prioritize your health. But simply being stressed isn’t enough to start saying, 'Why did you marry your wife?'"
"Whenever it’s women in your husband’s position, they just get told they’re an awesome rockstar. No one questions WHY they do it."
"NOR. You should find a doctor who makes you feel supported, and you feel is better overall."
"I wouldn’t make your husband change yet. It is hard to find doctors you like. Maybe when you establish with a better doctor, he’ll switch, too." - imwearingredsocks
Since the OP's husband went to the doctor to discuss stomach issues and likely how to remedy them, it's reasonable that the subject of possible stressors would come up, so the husband could avoid those stressors and improve his symptoms.
However, some Redditors felt that also including details about his marriage and fatherhood in the conversation was crossing a line, and while being a care provider to a spouse could be stressful, many felt it was being addressed from an ableist perspective instead.