When two people are about to get married, at least in most cases, not only are they deeply in love, but they typically have very high opinions of one another.
Any threat to breaking that illusion, especially on the wedding day, tends to be avoided, even by going to preposterous, delusional lengths, cringed the members of the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor InvestigatorOk7152 was excited to be a groomsman in his best friend's wedding and was taken aback on the bachelor party night when his best friend kissed him while under the influence.
But when the bride found out and felt insecure enough about it that she did not want him to be a groomsman anymore and also didn't want him to attend the wedding, the Original Poster (OP) was hurt.
He asked the sub:
"AITAH for not telling my best friend the real reason I'm not at his wedding?"
The OP had an awkward experience at his best friend's bachelor party.
"I (29 Male) was supposed to be a groomsman for my best friend (30 Male) as we've been tight since we were kids."
"This weekend, he's marrying his fiancée (28 Female), who I've known since they were dating long-distance in high school."
"At his bachelor party last weekend, we started off at my place and transitioned to bar hopping, and by the end, my best friend was drunk and the guys (all our mutual friends and some of his cousins) were egging him on to do a last kiss before marriage dare."
"For extra info, I'm not a fan of that 'custom' at bachelors or bachelorettes because it honestly makes it look like you're being held hostage to marry the love of your life; plus it's just disrespectful to your partner (but that's just an opinion I have, and to each their own, but I knew my best friend shared it, too)."
"Still, I figured if he had not been drunk, my best friend wouldn't do it, because I know he loves his fiancée very much."
"To my literal shock and horror, he turned around, grabbed me, and kissed me."
"It was not even a dumb peck, either. He actually dipped me and held it for a few seconds until everyone was laughing obnoxiously."
"I didn't kiss back, I just froze and laughed it off when it finished. Later, I realized I wasn't having much fun anymore and bailed early, taking some of our drunker friends home with me."
The OP was mortified when the bride found out about the kiss.
"The next day, his fiancée first texted me on Instagram and then on WhatsApp, asking to talk, and then called me."
"She wasn't yelling or anything, but was just kind of awkward. She said she knew about the kiss, and that while she didn't love it, she was glad it was me and not some random girl."
"She said if he'd kissed another woman, she'd have taken it as cheating and dealt with it worse."
"I agreed and backed her point, saying I wouldn't have encouraged or allowed that, and was still caught off-guard by what happened."
But he was even more mortified by what the bride did next.
"Then she admitted she didn't feel comfortable with me being at the wedding now, either, because it would just be in the back of her head the whole time."
"I was admittedly stunned at first, and then mad, and then upset, but came to the conclusion that it was her wedding at the end of the day, and told her I got it and wouldn't go."
"She thanked me for understanding, but also asked me not to tell my best friend that she was the one who asked me not to go."
"I have already sent the text backing out, giving reasons regarding work, and my best friend was very upset and asked me if I could back out in any way."
"I freelance, by the way, and he knows this, so my lie wasn't a good one, and he went from upset to straight up mad at me for bailing out on his wedding day for work."
The OP struggled with not telling his best friend the truth.
"All our mutuals have texted me in our shared wedding group chat and have asked me to reconsider and told me there's no way I'm skipping his wedding for work I myself manage, some being harsher and some passive aggressive, all very valid."
"Now I'm stuck looking like the a**hole when I was literally asked not to go, and also asked not to say that I was asked not to go."
"Everyone around me thinks I'm this a**hole for prioritizing work over my best friend's wedding, and I honestly don't know how to navigate this without losing people."
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some pointed out that the bride should own her decisions, not just with the OP.
"NTA, but bro, don't do this to yourself and come off as the bad guy."
"He shouldn't have kissed you, that was disrespectful to his fiancée, but his fiancée shouldn't be asking you not to tell people either. She needs to own her decisions."
"You are literally shooting yourself in the foot. Just come clean." - Bubblegumpsplant
"If she had the balls to ask him not to go, she should have the balls to tell her fiancé. It is ridiculous that the OP is being made out to be the bad guy in this when he had nothing to do with anything. It all happened to him; he didn't want any of it." - erabera
"The kiss was just as disrespectful to OP. If a man grabs a woman at a bar, dips her, and tries to open-mouth kiss her against her will, that would be assault."
"Regardless, I would've told her that I won't come if that's what she wants, but I am DEFINITELY going to tell him why I'm backing out BEFORE the wedding. She can deal with the consequences. I did nothing wrong, and I will not take the blame for her insecurities." - imnickelhead
"We need to remember it's assault even if it happened to a man. This was completely messed up, especially with the OP taking the fall for it, and the OP is NTA." - katied1183
"This whole thing is crazy, because the groom probably kissed OP because that was the safest option in a pressured situation. No big deal."
"Of course, he should've asked first (it's actually more disrespectful to OP than to his fiancée), but in the crazy 'one last kiss before marriage' thing that they're apparently doing, kissing his best friend is probably how to get out of cheating." - Bananabreadtyrant
"Personally, I think the bride and groom are as bad as each other. The groom assaulted OP. Simple as that."
"The bride, on the other hand, is victim-blaming the OP and has insisted on a course of action that will make OP a pariah amongst his whole friend group. She's ruining his life! And all because she doesn't want to get any flak for this."
"She doesn't give a s**t that OP is actually the wronged party in the kiss scenario, or the effect this is having, so long as she gets to have her special day and come out of it all smelling of roses."
"I personally feel OP needs to ensure the story is told to both of them, and then drop both of these horrible people as soon as possible." - Maria_Dragons
Others pointed out that there were ways for the OP to tell the truth without telling the groom himself.
"Tell another groomsman why you're not coming. It will get back to the groom without you breaking your promise to the bride, who should not have asked you to keep that secret when you're taking the brunt of it. That's s**tty of her."
"I also hate that peer pressure 'just one last time' thing, for the record. Ugh." - SueShe19
"Pick the most gossipy groomsman in the group. The groom will know in no time flat. Make sure to emphasise how badly this unreasonable request is affecting you, and that you're the only one suffering consequences when it wasn't even your actions that caused the situation."
"Use emotive language. People will flock to your side, and the bride will be getting some serious side eye." - PepperPhoenix
"I suggest telling all the other groomsmen why OP is not going. All of them. It'll definitely get back to the groom without the OP breaking his promise, problem solved." - Araxanna
"You need to tell her to tell him, or she can at least delegate the responsibility to someone else in the wedding party if she doesn't feel up to having this conversation yet, but it NEEDS to be had before they exchange their vows."
"Her lying and uninviting his friends behind his back is wrong. Building a relationship like this is wrong."
"Plus, she screwed you over. You lost money with all the things you did as a groomsman, and your friendship WILL be fractured no matter how much you and he try to pretend it isn't. Not only that, but your mutual friends who may have wanted you as a groomsman/godfather/etc now see that you will bail." - AliveAbbreviations67
"I have no idea why OP would feel obligated to keep that 'promise'. She is letting OP take all the blame for not being at the wedding. The groom deserves to know what kind of person he is marrying." - Mpegirl2006
"I would have told the fiancée NO when she told OP not to tell his friend that she told him to back out. I would tell her that I will back out if that makes you feel better, but I am not going to lie to him about why. OP did nothing wrong. He did not instigate the kiss."
"It was probably meant to be funny to shut the 'one last time' people up without him having to say, 'no, I don't want to do that,' and hear the, 'aww come on, everyone does it' (not true) crowd."
"So, drunk as he was, the groom probably thought, 'okay, I'll kiss my best bro for laughs, and that will shut them up.' It worked. And telling his fiancée, he probably didn't think she would act like she did."
"NTA, but you should not have promised her you wouldn't tell. You did nothing wrong. I would call her and say, 'Sorry, but I am coming to the wedding, or I'm telling him why I am not; I cannot continue to take the blame for something I didn't even do.'" - Frequent_Couple5498
After receiving feedback, the OP shared an update in a second post.
"Hi guys, the wedding and pre-party happened last weekend, and I've had a few days to process, so here's the update as promised."
"First off, I found out through a bridesmaid messaging me on Instagram why my best friend's fiancée reacted the way she did. As it turns out, it wasn't just about the bachelor party kiss; it was about him in general."
"For context, ever since I've known Andrew (my best friend), he's had a history of being impulsive when drunk. I know this is fairly common, and I had the same issue in high school, but I learned to just drink less and eventually leveled out, but Andrew didn't, and his now-wife has always had a problem with it."
"Over the years, he's done a bunch of crazy s**t, most of which I'd forgotten or never even knew about. The bridesmaid listed examples his fiancée had mentioned, like when he streaked through campus at midnight on a dare no one pushed him into, or when he kissed mutual friends (including me once) during drinking games in high school, and many other things. Nothing that counted as cheating, but enough of a pattern that he's got a reputation for taking jokes and dares too literally."
"His fiancée, of course, knew about a lot of this, and it had been a sore point in their relationship early on. So when the kiss with me happened at the bachelor party, she didn't see it as a one-off joke, but rather she saw it as proof his old habits weren't gone, and she panicked."
"In her mind, if he could do that in front of everyone, then what else might happen? And because it was me this time, that ever constant part of his life, I became part of the problem."
The bride also did not hear about the kiss in the most graceful way, either.
"Apparently, Andrew made things bad from the get-go when he got back from the party, as he walked into their hotel room with her and her mom there and blurted out the story very obnoxiously."
"That p**sed her off and made her mum (who's pretty conservative) really uncomfortable. According to the bridesmaid, her mum had clashed with Andrew before, and this was the last thing she wanted to see before her daughter's wedding."
"That same night, the fiancée and her mum talked, and her mum was the one who pushed the idea that I should quietly back out. She basically told her it would be a bad look to have me standing up there as part of the wedding party, which did explain why I got that message the next morning."
The OP did go to the wedding but still felt something in his friendship shifting.
"In the end, I did go to the pre-party and the wedding. Both went fast but well and very beautifully."
"The part that really did unexpectedly hurt me was after, regarding the honeymoon. Many, many months before, I had suggested this one destination I had gone to on vacation when I was way younger, and back then, they'd both been excited and even asked me for hotel and restaurant recommendations in preparation."
"After the wedding, I asked Andrew when they were leaving, and he kind of hesitated before saying they'd changed plans to somewhere completely different."
"I was very surprised, to be honest, but we just laughed about it and closed it up with me saying, 'Oh well!' and wishing them a great time. With more thought given, I realise that it's another way of cutting out my influence and icing me out, and it was the point that the reality of it was coming down on me."
"Now that it's been a few days and I've driven back home, I have just conceded. While I'm glad I went, I'm not very hopeful for our friendship being the same."
"I love Andrew dearly, and I really do love his wife, too, and I understand why things turned out this way, but I just wish I hadn't f**king been the one involved (targeted more like). Drama is very f**king fun to watch when it isn't you, but not when you're at the center of it."
"I do want to be clear, though, that the blame is on Andrew. While I don't think I deserved to be put in this position, I also believe they (his wife and her mom) tried their best to treat me fairly, even when it was hard for them."
"I do also forgive them, and I hope to move forward, even if the friendship I had with him for 20 years won't probably ever look the same again."
"Thank you truly for all the comments, advice, and support."
The subReddit was upset on the OP's behalf that not only had a kiss been pushed on him against his will, but he'd also been blamed and punished for it happening, in the form of almost not attending the wedding and being criticized by the entire wedding party.
Fortunately, things worked out well enough that the OP could still attend and enjoy, but it seemed that his friend would be forever impacted by this kiss, no matter how unfair it was to him, as a final stamp of confirmation that this marriage was built on shaky ground at best.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.