Generally, when we meet our partner's family for the first time, we want to be on our best behavior.
But sometimes, something will come up that we simply cannot let go, first impressions be darned, cringed the members of the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
For Redditor HeWhoSoughtTheFire, that was the final bill for an introductory family dinner before the wedding day.
Everything at the dinner went well, except for the fact that four extra family members showed up unannounced, and when that increased the dinner bill by $200, the Original Poster (OP) didn't speak up, but he did the next "best" thing... He made them pay for it.
He asked the sub:
"AITAH for asking my fiancée's relatives to pay for themselves after they brought uninvited guests to our pre-wedding dinner?"
The OP looked forward to an introductory family dinner with his in-laws.
"I (30 Male) am engaged to my fiancée (29 Female), and we're getting married this fall."
"Last weekend, we hosted a small pre-wedding dinner. Just a chill evening for our immediate families to meet, talk, and celebrate a bit before the real wedding chaos begins."
"We reserved a table at a mid-range restaurant we both like (good food, not crazy expensive). We confirmed 14 guests: our parents, siblings, plus two friends from the wedding party."
"Everything was set. I even called ahead to double-check the headcount."
But then, extra people appeared at the event.
"We show up and her family brings four extra people: her cousin and his wife (who were 'visiting anyway'), her sister's boyfriend, and (weirdly?) his teenage daughter."
"They said it was last-minute and 'hope that's okay.'"
"The staff were gracious, though somewhat surprised. They had to push another table over and reshuffle the whole seating plan."
"We ended up waiting around 15 minutes, apologizing to the servers. Not a disaster, but definitely awkward. Dinner itself was fine. Everyone had a good time. We had mains, some shared appetizers, and a few bottles of wine, nothing too wild."
When it came time to pay the bill, the OP had a plan.
"But when the check came, it was a bit over $850. We'd expected around $650 based on the confirmed guests and menu."
"So, I quietly asked the server to split the extras' meals from the rest. I paid for the 14 we planned for."
"The extra ~$200 from the uninvited guests? I felt that wasn't really on us."
"Everyone paid without fuss, but her cousin seemed confused."
The OP's partner lashed out at him later for splitting the bill.
"Her sister didn't say anything at the time, but later, my fiancée told me she felt embarrassed and that I made her family feel unwelcome. She said I 'could have just let it go for one night' and brought it up later."
"I said I didn't want to pretend everything was fine while people ignored basic plans we made together. She said it felt like I turned a family dinner into a 'power move' over money."
"Now things are somewhat weird between us... So, was I wrong?"
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP that it was bad manners to show up without an invitation.
"NTAH. It's uncouth to show up to a dinner uninvited and expect the host to pay for said dinner at a restaurant. The first thing I would have said if I brought an uninvited guest right after asking if it's okay would have been to say, don't worry, I'll cover their meal."
"It's not a free-for-all, and how do they know how much you had budgeted for the meal? There's a head count for a reason and then a confirmation of the headcount for a reason." - Snoo-77094
"Not only were they not invited guests, they had zero reason to be there. Those invited were parents, siblings, and members of the wedding party. They could have dined elsewhere and met back up at the parents' house."
"Gauche and mannerless." - BefuddledPolydactyls
"'She said it felt like I turned a family dinner into a 'power move' over money.' No, the mooching family tried to turn a pre-wedding dinner into a "power move" and got butthurt with your reverse uno. As did your doormat fiancée."
"And this is a big, fat head's up that they will likely bring along more uninvited people to your wedding and reception - and of course your fiancée will tell you to suck it up." - PrideofCapetown
"Even if you were a millionaire with money to burn, they shouldn't have brought extra people and expected you to pay for it. Or even be okay with it." - LibraryMouse4321
"NTA, but you might want to check with your fiancée if she okayed the extra people. She should be embarrassed by her family for being entitled and not you. This is giving me an aura of 'sure, you can bring them, he won't care,' and being embarrassed that you did indeed care." - Tired_Mama3018
Others agreed and said the guests and the people who invited them could pay.
"NTA. You planned and agreed on a certain number of guests. These people brought four uninvited people, who were not your guests. Why would you pay for people who weren't your guests and you didn't invite?"
"They tried to get a free meal out of you by hoping you didn't have a spine and wouldn't say anything. They tried to bully you into feeding four people you didn't invite. Nothing was stopping your fiancé from paying for the freeloaders. You set the tone that this crap won't be tolerated." - Vandreeson
"OP, I think you might need to gently explore this with your fiancé."
"Her family caused a 30% cost overrun on your pre-wedding dinner."
"If it's not a big deal to them to change plans (without notice to you) and cause 30% higher cost for a hosted dinner, is it gonna not be a big deal to add guests to the wedding reception or change the menu or... without notice to you?"
"I think you need to explore where HER boundaries are and what behavior from her family she expects you to 'let it go for one night'?" - Constant_Hoest_3212
"NTA. I think you handled it well. In what world is it socially acceptable to show up to a hosted dinner with four uninvited guests? The fact they didn't offer to pay for them is an additional level of rudeness." - privacy6310
"Them joining is odd, but not that big a deal in itself. But what I recommend you dig into is why your fiancé allowed it. Most likely, she knew in advance there were extras coming. Most likely also some dumb test."
"The alternative is that she's spineless and won't stand up for you in marriage and will let her family run over her. Regardless of which it is, I recommend you get to the bottom of it before marriage."
"The fact that they brought the sister's boyfriend's TEEN DAUGHTER? Just no way it was an accidental four people. Pretty sure the teen daughter of a random boyfriend would have preferred to stay home instead of going to a literal stranger's pre-wedding celebration."
"So the whole thing smells deliberate, OP, and I'm betting dollars to donuts your fiancé is somehow "in" on it." - anotherdropin
"Why didn't his fiancée pay up if she didn't want to be embarrassed? No, you do not pay for uninvited guests. Fiancée is the a**hole." - Shadow4summer
"This dinner isn't a dealbreaker, OP, but I hope it prompts a very serious discussion with her about money and expectations. Include other options if you find yourself in this situation again. Tell her you aren't paying for uninvited guests, so that's not an option on the table."
"If she doesn't like what you did (uninvited guests pay for themselves), then ask her if she would prefer that you have the check split as you did, with you graciously covering the agreed-upon guests and your fiancée paying the additional?"
"Or should you have just, as a couple (since it is HER family, she must take ownership of handling them), declined to seat them with the group right from the outset? Or... what other option does she propose? And again, you just paying for it is off the table."
"Let her know that these kinds of boundary-pushes by her family are a test, and you're going to begin as you mean to go on; you're not having it, period. Her family doesn't get to walk all over you and/or treat you like an ATM. Options should all revolve around HER handling HER family, and you handling yours."
"Even how she's phrasing her response is frankly offensive, saying you turned it into a power move. YOU didn't turn dinner into a power move, her family did when they added four extra people to your party of 14 with no discussion, and expected you to pay for it. She needs to take her blinders off in regards to her family. They pulled the power move, and were p**sy when you shut it down." - katybean12
But a few were concerned about how the OP handled this situation.
"YTA. You should have asked your fiancée how she wanted to handle it. That's her family. The way you handled it embarrassed your fiancé and alienated her family all over $200. You left your partner out of the decision."
"It was a total d**k move on the parents' part to invite people to a dinner they didn't plan and aren't paying for. Switching sides for a moment, I would have called ahead to ask if it would be alright if I bought a few more people, I'd be happy to call the restaurant to adjust the reservation and IF I PAID for them."
"But the person this hurt most was your fiancée. You owe her an apology." - totally-jag
"It was absolutely rude and insulting for your future in-laws to invite people without your consent, and then expect you to pay..... but I have to be honest and say I think OP over-corrected here and absolutely made a power move by passive-aggressively having the poor waiter do your dirty work by splitting the bill."
"All of this could have been avoided with a few honest moments. You absolutely owe your fiancée an apology. You are a team, start making decisions like one." - BenButtonInReverse
"Was this the first time meeting the family? If so, it's an odd choice to die on this hill rather than just pay and have your fiancée talk to her parents later about not adding extra guests in the future."
"If it was a pattern of mooching, then yes, say something, but the first time... It's not even weird that they assumed your Sil's partner would be included in the first place. YTA." - starchy2ber
"I don't think OP is an AH for not wanting to pay, but YTA for how you handled it... or rather ESH..."
"Yes, the extra guests shouldn't have shown up... but OP unilaterally deciding without consulting fiancee, and just having the server send them their bill at the end of the night is just cringeworthy... There's no need to blow all of this up over $200."
"OP could have said at the beginning that, 'We're happy to have you join us, but we're on a tight budget for the wedding and for tonight, so I hope the extra guests don't mind paying for themselves.'"
"Still awkward, but then at least NTA..." - Driftwood256
"YTA... While I understand why you did what you did and, for the most part, I agree with it, this was not just your decision to make alone. This was your fiancée's family. Did you say anything at all to her before the check came? Did you tell her your feelings and why you felt you should not have to pay for the extra guests, and how you should go about handling this?"
"Were these joint funds? Or did you pay from your own account? If they were joint, you should have definitely talked to fiancée before making a solo decision. If only your funds, you should have told fiancee you would only be paying for invited guests, and she could either pay for the extra guests or talk to her relatives about doing so." - Worth-Season3645
After receiving feedback, the OP shared a brief update.
"Thanks for all the comments, it was very cool to read different opinions (unfortunately, I can't possibly answer everyone!). So, we had a talk. It wasn't super dramatic or anything, just... kind of weird."
"But her relatives texted me later saying, 'no worries,' and that they didn't mean to cause issues, which was quite decent of them."
"My fiancée is still a little distant, though. She said she needs time to think about "how we handle stuff as a couple", so I guess we'll see."
While everyone could understand the trouble extra guests could cause and could see how inconsiderate it was to add to the bill, the subreddit was divided over how the OP handled the situation.
On the one hand, it was best to not set a precedent that the family could do whatever they want without consequence, but maybe for one evening, while everyone was getting acquainted, the OP could have handled this or at least his involved his partner for guidance.















Expectant Dad Of Two Livid After Brother Questions Why He'd Bring Another Kid Into Bleak World
It's no secret that a lot of people are struggling right now, from the cost of living to job insecurity to food insecurity to poor housing. But that doesn't mean we have to stop living.
For many people, that means still starting and growing their families, while planning how to navigate the world we're currently in, pointed out the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor DesignerOwn1141 and his wife knew that the world around them wasn't at its best right now, but they were eager to grow their family and were excited to bring a third child into the world.
When they announced their pregnancy, his brother's first reaction was to send him articles about how the world was doomed and shame him for bringing a child into it; the Original Poster (OP) wondered if he needed to block his own brother.
He asked the sub:
The OP and his wife were excited to welcome a third child into their family.
"I am 33 and male. My wife is 29."
"We have two sons, a six-year-old boy and a three-year-old boy. Both are happy, healthy, and well taken care of."
"We love being parents to them, and I work very hard to provide a good life for my family."
"My wife is four months pregnant with our third."
The OP's brother's life was very different from his.
"My younger brother has been something of a failure-to-launch case."
"Despite having every advantage, he never got good grades in school, was addicted to 'League of Legends' so severely that he barely scraped by, and spends his days streaming games to nearly no viewers on Twitch."
"I've watched his stream a few times, but he just rages constantly."
"My wife is too classy to ever say so, but I can tell he makes her uncomfortable."
"He's my brother, so I've long wanted to believe he's just bad at communicating with people, but to be frank, he's sort of just an a**hole. He's unapologetic whenever he says something hurtful and more likely to just double down and say, 'No cap.'"
"But if anyone so much as challenges his views, he throws a huge fit."
The OP tried to share his happy news with his brother, but his brother immediately squandered it.
"Recently, we announced she was pregnant with our third child. It's a joyous occasion for us because we wanted three children, and our other two sons are excited about having another brother or sister."
"When I texted my brother the news, he immediately said he couldn't imagine having children with the world the way it was."
"I asked what he meant, and he started sending me these articles about global warming, the plague in Russia, wars around the world, and so on."
"He seems convinced that the world is going to end in ten years tops, and that I'm only bringing up another child to die in the 'water wars.'"
"I was honestly disgusted with him. To tell someone that their unborn child is going to die, that their other children are going to die, is absolutely abhorrent behavior."
"But since he's always been a sensitive s**thead, I just said, 'Whatever, man,' and stopped reading his texts."
"He wouldn't stop. He kept sending me every doomer article. He said that when the clouds evaporate, the earth is going to get 15 degrees hotter. He said that AI is going to hack every government database. He said that China is going to invade Taiwan, and then it'll be war with the US and allies against Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran."
The OP had had enough of his brother's negative feedback.
"Finally, I just told him I was blocking him and thought little of the decision."
"He went and cried to our parents (again, he's the most sensitive s**tbag in the world), and they told me what I did was over the top."
"I know that if I unblock him, he's just going to doomspam me again."
"Am I wrong for just straight-up saying I never want him in my life again?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that they understood why he felt the need to distance himself from his brother.
"NOR. He sounds insufferable."
"He sounds like one of those people who doesn't like his life and so wants everyone else to be miserable too, or makes excuses for why he didn't do more with his life by blaming his problems on some external crisis." - savingrain
"NOR. He's allowed to protect his peace, especially if his brother keeps ignoring boundaries and turning every conversation into another end-of-the-world prediction, and having kids is hardly a reason to apologize for trying to build a good life despite everything going on." - Upper-Cloud9097
"NOR. But your brother is on his way to a full mental breakdown. Send him back cute dog and cat videos. Cute horse videos. Ozzy animal voiceovers."
"Eventually his phone will start thinking he's like me and his feed will calm down." - Present_Original_797
"I mean, my beliefs and thoughts about the future are along the same lines as him, and that’s why I’m an anti-natalist, but there’s something called tact. And personal choice/autonomy."
"If someone chooses to have kids, that’s their choice, and I’d keep my opinions to myself and be supportive, especially if they’re a family member. Spreading doomer content is extremely insensitive and rude. NOR." - EngineerGold4242
"NOR: I wonder whether your brother is displaying sibling jealousy towards you and your family; he recognizes his own shortcomings and can see where he is in life compared to you, and that is his major issue."
"Days filled with unfulfilling computer games and doomspamming others, he has a lot of maturing to do. Block him until or unless he decides to join the adult world and be the uncle he is supposed to be." - iron_redditman
"NOR. I have all those fears and as such actively avoid news about them. I skipped whole paragraphs here for that reason too, lol."
"I’d definitely block my sibling or anybody else who did that to me. I already know all these things; I don’t need constant reminders. All I can do is work on improving my little corner of the world and trudge forward."
"Anyway, protect your peace." - hahagato
"You are not obligated to bond with someone just because you share blood. It’s your peace and your family that you need to protect now. If you decide to go zero contact, it’s perfectly okay!"
"Especially because you and your wife are in charge of two, almost three, little guys, and your mental peace affect directly to them."
"PS. Historically, the world has always been on the edge, but nothing stops us to be what we are, humans trying to get over all the s**t! So don’t let those bad things put you down. We can build a better world by raising kind, lovely people, and it seems you and your wife are doing it. Good luck!" - Camigatoespinace92
Others advised the OP to involve his parents in case they could help his brother.
"Unblock him and then send everything he texts you to both mom and dad. No comments, just forward it."
"They'll think you're sending it, and when they complain, you can tell them that you thought they'd be interested in your brother's articles as well."
"NOR." - No_Address687
"NOR. Your parents don't know the half of it. Forward everything and let them read it for themselves." - Available_Agent3305
"NOR. I’d keep him blocked; your parents are wrong. If you want to be petty, start sending your parents article after article of stuff you know they won’t like. They will get the hint soon enough." - OldieButNotMoldy
"I would also go low contact with the OP's parents. OP is clearly NOT the favorite son. Any boundaries he put up with his brother will be considered wrong. NOR." - Interesting_Novel997
"NOR, but also my first reaction is that your brother isn't a 'sensitive s**tbag,' he is struggling with anxiety/depression and maybe undiagnosed neurodivergence and is drowning in his own ruminations. None of that makes this an appropriate response to a pregnancy announcement; it's clearly not. But he sounds like someone who is clearly struggling here."
"If it were me, I'd be sending your parents anything he previously sent you. If they share your concern after reading a few articles, maybe they'll take steps to help him." - 2kidsnomoney---
"NOR. I'm sorry to say this, OP, but your brother has not been socialized normally. He is a chronically online loser who thinks he can do and say whatever he wants and does not understand there are no consequences because there are often no consequences when he does it in a league match or online."
"It frankly sounds like your concern for him and his future is budding into resentment and contempt, and I feel like, as most brothers would, those are not the feelings you want to hold towards him."
"I have a brother like this. He was diagnosed as an adult with Asperger’s and now just a spectrum autism diagnosis, but he’s a real a**."
"You may have to unblock him to communicate fairly. It may be worth doing this in person because it’s easier for the chronically online to 'craft' their retort rather than be a part of a conversation."
"Before you can do that, though, you need to sit down with your parents. You need to explain and be able to articulate that:"
"1. His reaction to the wonderful news of you having another child crossed the line and was inappropriate."
"2. There need to be reasonable consequences or boundaries because you are no longer willing to put up with that."
"3. It is his call at this point whether or not he wants to be in your life and your children’s lives."
"You have to have their buy-in; otherwise they are just going to continue to coddle and enable this behavior."
"Then you need to sit down with him and your parents, intervention style. You need to present the same argument you did to your parents, and in all honestly, I would question him in return: what was he hoping would have been the outcome of that conversation?"
"Did he want you to say he’s so right, so smart? Did he want you to go to your wife and tell her to abort? Does he feel like he is in a place in his life where he can be your family planner and manager? When he crosses a line, what does he feel should happen?"
"Only when he is directly confronted, and you have the right supports in place, can he be presented with how his behavior affected you and what that could possibly mean for his relationship with you and your growing family." - allison_mossie
The subreddit understood feeling burdened by so much negative information during what should be a happy time of planning and anticipating a new addition to the family, but the OP needed time to think about what he wanted his larger family dynamic to look like.
That might mean removing his brother, so that the OP could protect his own, and by extension, his wife's and children's, mental health, but it might mean minimizing contact with other people, too, if they weren't willing to respect the OP's boundaries he had for his family's life.